Comments on: Related Leaders: Mark Driscoll (Session Two) http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/ random thoughts & associations Sat, 19 Jul 2008 22:41:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: charliedean http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3651 charliedean Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:57:31 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3651 They really are artificial designations to some degree. However, in my mind, I think that I see pastors as people who are "in the trenches" doing ministry and don't have the time that academicians have to really dig in. They really are artificial designations to some degree. However, in my mind, I think that I see pastors as people who are “in the trenches” doing ministry and don’t have the time that academicians have to really dig in.

]]> By: ben http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3650 ben Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:52:19 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3650 i think a scholar is someone who has put forth the enormous amount of effort to pursue a doctoral degree in something. i think a scholar is someone who has put forth the enormous amount of effort to pursue a doctoral degree in something.

]]> By: epots http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3649 epots Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:26:00 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3649 what makes a scholar? someone who has a degree in seminary...one who writes commentaries...or one who is well read? just curious? (i am late to the party on this one...) what makes a scholar? someone who has a degree in seminary…one who writes commentaries…or one who is well read?

just curious?

(i am late to the party on this one… ;)

]]> By: jschifo http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3633 jschifo Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:58:24 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3633 Gotta reread my 5:30am posts before hitting enter.....Yes in hindsight I totally should have made sure I divided the pastors from the scholars. Thanks for great feedback on Related Leaders. Gotta reread my 5:30am posts before hitting enter…..Yes in hindsight I totally should have made sure I divided the pastors from the scholars.
Thanks for great feedback on Related Leaders.

]]> By: charliedean http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3618 charliedean Fri, 01 Feb 2008 15:17:26 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3618 Ben -- we'll talk in person. I mostly agree... and Jason -- good research, although I wouldn't call Bell, McManus & McLaren "scholars"....more in the "pastors" catagory -- and I think there is a difference. Ben –
we’ll talk in person. I mostly agree…

and

Jason — good research, although I wouldn’t call Bell, McManus & McLaren “scholars”….more in the “pastors” catagory — and I think there is a difference.

]]> By: jschifo http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3617 jschifo Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:55:37 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3617 I will admit not knowing much about Mark Driscoll at all, or his church other than it is the "other Mars Hill". So I did my iTunes homework, and a Google search and..... I don't know. He clearly is very passionate about Christ. The sermon that I chose to listen to he talked about his calling, and coming to Jesus (he makes it very clear that Jesus should be the reference because God is to general - That God become man to ensure that we as Christians do not have to talk in generalizations like "God") He was very genuine, and passionate in the sermon. Maybe at points a little too passionate (ie; the cursing was something I could do without - a little respect in the house of God please...) Then the Google search frustrated me totally as it told about attack after attack he has made on his peers, and scholars (Bell, McManus, McLaren, NT Wright, Borg, lots of people I read and respect....), and then to read that he still has yet to complete any formal Seminary work. So Mark Driscoll - Yeah - I totally don't get the guy..... I will admit not knowing much about Mark Driscoll at all, or his church other than it is the “other Mars Hill”. So I did my iTunes homework, and a Google search and…..

I don’t know. He clearly is very passionate about Christ. The sermon that I chose to listen to he talked about his calling, and coming to Jesus (he makes it very clear that Jesus should be the reference because God is to general - That God become man to ensure that we as Christians do not have to talk in generalizations like “God” ;)

He was very genuine, and passionate in the sermon. Maybe at points a little too passionate (ie; the cursing was something I could do without - a little respect in the house of God please… ;)

Then the Google search frustrated me totally as it told about attack after attack he has made on his peers, and scholars (Bell, McManus, McLaren, NT Wright, Borg, lots of people I read and respect….), and then to read that he still has yet to complete any formal Seminary work.

So Mark Driscoll - Yeah - I totally don’t get the guy…..

]]> By: ben http://charliedean.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/related-leaders-mark-driscoll-session-two/#comment-3605 ben Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:41:33 +0000 http://charliedean.wordpress.com/?p=1460#comment-3605 I really struggle with Mark Driscoll. He is so sure that his reformed theology is TRUTH that I wonder how open he is to seeing things from a different perspective. Case in point, you have a preacher who hasn't even completed seminary criticizing the work of arguably the world's foremost biblical scholar, NT Wright. If you want to disagree with a scholar, that's perfectly OK, but Driscoll's black and white views on theology are hard for me to accept as fair and balanced. I am not at the conference, so I don't know how he's presenting the views you've laid out, but I've seen and heard enough of him to know that he is definitely a dogmatic preacher. I'm curious to hear your thoughts about him, Charlie. I really struggle with Mark Driscoll. He is so sure that his reformed theology is TRUTH that I wonder how open he is to seeing things from a different perspective.

Case in point, you have a preacher who hasn’t even completed seminary criticizing the work of arguably the world’s foremost biblical scholar, NT Wright. If you want to disagree with a scholar, that’s perfectly OK, but Driscoll’s black and white views on theology are hard for me to accept as fair and balanced.

I am not at the conference, so I don’t know how he’s presenting the views you’ve laid out, but I’ve seen and heard enough of him to know that he is definitely a dogmatic preacher.

I’m curious to hear your thoughts about him, Charlie.

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